hi!

i'm trying to "determine a voice" on the last record on the "greatest cantors of the past"

this vinyl was produced by TAP, and as "they" wrote it "must be" Joseph Schmidt. i'm sure that it's wrong!

any help will be appreciated

http://sharebee.com/7eae5e3f

sorry for my awful english

Dear Holoimes,

It definately isn't Chazzan Joseph Schmidt! You can easily hear that it's an American recording (probably Ellstein on the organ) and it doesn't sound a bit like Schmidt. The voice and style reminded me of Chazzan Arele Diamond, but it's not a recording I know of him. Furthermore his voice doesn't sound as powerful and strong as I remember Chazzan Diamond's voice to be. It could be Chazzan Diamond at a later point in his career (he was seriously ill in the end), but it could also be someone else. At other times the voice reminds me of another Chazzan (or still Diamond – I'm having problems with thinking straight, because I have very much on my mind) of which I just can't remember the name (the way he sings 'Kidshonu Bemitzvosov' at 1.20 is a very characteristic and familiar voice coloring). I'm sure I'm familiar with the Chazzan – the voice just sounds too familiar – but I can't tell you with 100% accuracy. Maybe someone else on the Forum can!?! I'm rather curious myself. It's a famous Chazzan, I'm sure about that. My guess is Chazzan Arele Diamond for now.

If I would try hard, I would probably be able to give you the correct name, but at the moment my motivation is very low and I'm having problems with my concentration, sorry!

Best regards,

Jeffrey P. Lieuwen
The Netherlands

thank you for your answer dear Jeffrey!

unfortunately i never hear the voice of Arele Diamond

but i'm 99% sure, that i hear "this" voice before

i guess that is one of "east europe generation" cantors

maybe it's young Leyb Glantz? (truth that he also had a lot of records with Abe Ellstein as organist)

thank you again

a git yontef un a git shobes!

ps
on the same vinyl "they wrote" that "they have" a khazunes of a famous Hermann Yadlowker. but this is not him, but Sawel Kwartin

i think that this a good example of "how those recordings made old man crazy" :)

It sounds like Henoch Borenstein to me

dr

thank you very much!

i'm not sure if i ever heard voice of Henokh Borenstein, but it very close to "rendition" of his brother, Pinkhos. if i'm not wrong, it was issued on "stinson" and "greater recordings"

It indeed appears to be Henoch Borenstein (1907-1996). There is an interesting article in yiddish in the 50th anniversary volume of the JMCA (1947) about all six Borenstein brothers. As a youngster, Henoch, the fifth brother was in the Tlomatzke Synagogue choir in Warsaw.
All were said to be pupils of eldest brother Tzvi Shraga (1880-1947).
The other brothers were Akiva, Chaim Yehuda, Pinchas, and Eliyohu.
Best Rgds
mancunian

That's it! It's Chazzan Henoch Borenstein indeed :-)! It sounded so familiar...

Just to put the record straight: the correct dates for Henoch are 1902-1996. He passed away at age 93, after a horrible accident.

Jeffrey P. Lieuwen
The Netherlands

mancunian

thank you very much for your precious info!!!

ps
sorry if i looks like "a nudnik", but it's exactly that i am :(

two "additional" small questions

1) there was khazn Herman Borenstein, who in the 1930s had recorded some khazunes in Poland on Syrena-Record. maybe you know who it was: Chaim or Henoch?

2) maybe you have "plans" to share the article about Borenstein brothers you wrote above? ;)

thanks in advance

h.

another small "remark"

next is "my last edition" about Borenstein brothers

Tzvi Shraga / Hershel (1880-1947)
Pinchas (1889-1955)
Akiva (1893-1968)
Chaim Yehuda (???? - 1977 ?)
Henoch / Henry (1902-1996)
Eliyohu / Archie (1905 ? - 1976 ?)

can anyone check it or make additions, please?

any help will be appreciated

h.

oops! :))))))))

i had found some interesting information here!!! :
http://www.cantorsworld.com/forum/view_topic.php?id=762

J.P. Lieuwen
you may find a little info about cantor Zvi Borenctein at Issakhar Fater book "musika yehudit be-polin bein shtei milhamot olam" at page 247

i can make a scan if you need

finally i have documentary information that Zvi Borenstein is the Herman Borenstein on the "Hamchabeh Es Haner" !!!

:)

uff! hope it's my last post. (for today!!! :) )

next is a 2 links

first to a well-known photo of 4 brothers

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9474/66605875.jpg

second to a scan from Fater's yiddish version book (because it contains Zvi Borenstein photo)

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/3664/fater255.jpg

i guess that Hershel and Zvi is the same person

any other point of view, please...

h.

hi - holoimes

as far as I know, Herman Borenstein that is on the Syrena records hamachabe es haner, shma koleinu (2 sided) and a few others is not related to the borenstein brothers at all, he started in poland (krakow I think) and in the late 20\\\'s early 30\\\'s he went to canada (toronto) until his death in the 50\\\'s
DR

dr

the "problem" is that the real Herman Borenstein name is a Zvi

from one side, according to both version of Issachar Fater "jewish music in poland..." in the middle of 30s Zvi Borenstein was a chazzan in the Nozyk Synagogue in Warsaw.

but from the other side, according to Tomasz Lersky syrena-record catalog two-sided "lechu neraneno" was recorded by cantor Herman Borenstein and his choir of the "SYNAGOGI imienia MALZENSTWA NOZYKOW / synagogue in the name of brothers Nozyk"

so Herman is a a Zvi. no doubt

does this Zvi Borenstein is the same person as eldest brother in the Borenstein's family? definitely, i don't know. (btw. what was his correct name: Zvi? Hersh? Zvi-Hersh?) but "they" looks as a same person

holoimes

here are a few facts for you to consider - "I" am convinced that there are not the same person.

hershel borenstein was called harry not hermann.

he never did commercial recordings (as per the family)

I have a live recording (from Harry) from the radio (sefiras haomer) , and they don't sound alike at all, Herman - has more of a thickish voice, and Harry - a sweet tenor one

Herman - is more of a oberkantor (if you know what I mean) Harry - is a very good "chazzan" (more heimish sounding)

Harry - was buried in Philadelphia died in 1947(same cemetery as Manfred Lewandowski) and Hermann died in the fifties (I think) - I think is buried in Canada.

I hope you are as clear about this as I am.

dr

dr

thank you very much!

h.